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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Feb 3, 2009 5:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: question on burning

I have been burning quite alot of cds lately.
I have been using memorex blanks. I have noticed that I have about a 10% drop out rate. 1 of every 10 I try to burn, I get a burning error message saying that the disc is not usable. Does anyone else have this happen to them.
Is it the brand of cds I'm using? Do I just suck at burning?? LOL.... Just curious to others experiences.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Feb 3, 2009 6:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

yeah, i'd say 10% is about average for me too no matter what discs i buy. though mine ARE usually memorex as well. but ive had the same experience with others too. seems like the last 5 years or so have had a higher failure rate (either that or my memory just sucks)

sounds normal to me though (although it is crappy)

peace

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Poster: waynecs Date: Feb 3, 2009 5:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

Just chiming in to say that I refuse to ever buy Memorex products again,they are the worst.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Feb 3, 2009 6:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning - Lets talk about quality.

Does it piss me off? I'll leave it at this;

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Poster: Thai Stick Date: Feb 3, 2009 6:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning - Lets talk about quality.

0% failure with Staples brand and the occasional Memorex. I burn with Roxio CD Creator. The burner is factory installed on a Compaq Presario. Works perfect, everytime.

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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Feb 3, 2009 6:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: My experiences with CD's

1.They all are made the same way from the same stuff at a limited number of similar locations.

2. I get an error or two every 100 CD's and half of them don't seem to affect anything and I use memorex for the price only... or are they maxell?

3. Turn your burn speed down, 10% error rate is way too expensive. The slower the burn, the less chance of jitter, errors, wobble, erroritus and smashthepc syndrome.

4. CD's labeled "audio" (sony comes to mind) cost more but are the same thing as data CD's. The extra price is that royalties to the musicians union are built in... really. What a scam that one is...

5. Watch your files sizes, the newer 80 minute CD's hold 650 MB but sometimes a file is bigger than it's tag indicates and if you think you are burning 649MB and you are burning 651MB... wasted disk or is it disc?

For instance I save a song I am working on and it's 3 minutes long or 30MB in size. I add a guitar solo at the end and lengthen the drum into to make the song 4:20 or about 40MB. I save the new edit over the old file but guess what? The computer and in turn the burner still thinks it's 3 minutes long and if I max out the CD an error occurs.

I am sure people uploading AUD's have run some files through time stretching or pitch shifting to correct tape speed errors and spliced stuff together, etc. So keep a few megabytes as a buffer and don't stress out about filling up the disc to capacity. They are like pennies a piece if you buy the 100 pack spindles.

Ever notice a decent blank cassette still sells for $5 and the CD's always cost $3 more, well they used to anyway, than the store bought cassettes of studio music? What's up wit dat?

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Poster: spacedface Date: Feb 4, 2009 8:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My experiences with CD's

I agree, turn down the burn speed.

Buying the cheapest recordable media (DVD too) can still cost you later because they degrade, I read some fear much less than 10 years, so keep them in a cool dark dry place for the longer term.

I general, we all have to keep an eye out for keep our most valued stuff on current media.

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Poster: Agent 86 Date: Feb 4, 2009 2:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My experiences with CD's

What huntr said above holds true for me. Taiyo Yuden discs, CD or DVD, have never given a single failure. This after burning perhaps 2K or so CDs, and as a guess 400 DVDs. I have had burners, internal and external, crap out, but never a bad TY disc. FWIW

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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Feb 6, 2009 6:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My experiences with CD's

Holy shit, I you're right about that, expect to back it up or transfer in 10 years, O got 20+ years out of some cassettes and VHS that still has to be transfered, if the CD holds up as long we'll all be fine. The high speed spinning storage format will fall quicker than 8 track as advances in fixed storage like flash ram make all this silliness too expensive compared to a small chip that holds terrabytes of uncompressed hidef 7.1 surround... mark my word it will be less than 10 years..

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 3, 2009 6:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

This was my major complaint with three different laptops/generic PCs: the factory burners ALWAYS crapped out! I kept thinking it was me, it was the software, OR it had to be the disks! Yes, that HAS to be it...buying high priced disks did reduce the failure rate, which is exactly the same error you describe, BUT eventually, they started to fail too...sometimes the burner held up for six months, sometimes a yr, BUT every system I have purchased the last six years, or been provided by work, has failed.

The solution? Go and buy the CHEAPEST disks possible (well, not if you have been reading posts by Tiger and huntr and NC that know too much about quality) because it will FEEL REALLY good to buy like two hundred for fifty cents total...then, as an after thought, buy a MEMOREX stand alone burner with Nero and it will only cost you about $100.

Problem solved. I did this two yrs ago, and have now burned thousands (I shit you not) of both CDs and DVDs and have not had ONE SINGLE failure, no matter what kind of disk I use...sometimes I even put in cardboard disks and it...well, okay, that's a joke.

Seriously. Never a failure since. More than worth it. I use it for all sorts of work related things with data DVDs, CDs, etc., etc., and huge amts of audio CDs...

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Feb 3, 2009 1:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

Just chiming in here, I know not why, to say that I just buy up whichever discs Amazon happen to be selling the cheapest when I happen to need some, burn them via the iMac's built-in CD/DVD burner and have never ever had a single failure.

Now if only I could translate that strike rate into other aspects of life ...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 3, 2009 4:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

Well, having braved (?) the snow, this has to be worth something! Hope you're surviving!

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Poster: SoggeeJohnson Date: Feb 3, 2009 1:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

try these >

http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/PrimeroSilver-Primero-Silver-CDR52X?sku=950199

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Poster: Edsel Date: Feb 3, 2009 6:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

I haven't had failures burning since I lowered my burn rate to 16X for audio CD's.

The faster the burn rate, the higher the failure rate.

Find the best burn rate for your burner, and leave it set for that rate.....most problems solved.
There will always be bad disks, and you can't do anything about those.

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Poster: craven714 Date: Feb 3, 2009 6:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

Nail hit firmly on the head Edsel.
Nicely put. I would just add that higher quality CDs
do help a little. Give me a Sony or a TDK over a
Verbatum or Memorex any day...

now, Im trying to understand the difference between a
'question on burning' and a 'burning question'. Any
suggestions there?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Feb 3, 2009 7:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

or a "burning bunga?"



(sorry, jalapeno's last night)

;)

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Poster: craven714 Date: Feb 3, 2009 9:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

I find that if I just shove the jalapeno directly up my
ass, it cuts out the middle man. Now with pineapples?
Thats another story...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Feb 3, 2009 10:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

LOL :)

i am in full agreement with cutting out the middle man - certainly a culprit in discomfort. but the taste buds, as the first in line, so want that burrrnnnnn.....

wiping DOES become a sacrificial act - kinda like self-flaggelation

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Poster: craven714 Date: Feb 3, 2009 10:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

thats why Im a firm believer in using nothing less
than 100 grit paper for wiping :O

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Feb 3, 2009 10:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

colonectomy on a sheet :)

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Feb 3, 2009 8:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: unga bunga bunga

That's right any excuse . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3887t3M4llI

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Poster: Pork Soda Date: Feb 3, 2009 8:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: unga bunga bunga

For the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Feb 3, 2009 8:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

Maybe Michael Phelps can help you out.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Feb 3, 2009 6:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

"haven't had failures burning since I lowered my burn rate to 16X for audio CD's.

The faster the burn rate, the higher the failure rate."


good call - i always forget about that

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Poster: huntr Date: Feb 3, 2009 7:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

Taio Yuden

never had a coaster than wasnt my fault

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 3, 2009 7:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

I understand everyone's comments on disks and speed, but again, the experience I have had in NOT addressing either of those aspects, but only switching to a stand alone burner, without ever (since then) experiencing a failure is compelling to me. Maybe I happened to pick the right burn speed on it, or it's preset, but FYI, one of the stand alone systems that failed miserably was Comp Presario (sp?)....and though clearly they suck, the low quality (cheap) disks I use just work beautifully (even if after ten plays in the car they might develop holes, etc.).

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Feb 3, 2009 7:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

you must be doing something right - i still get failures on my standalone - but now just use my laptop - 10% failure doesnt really bother me that much other than the swearing and cursing that must accompany such experience due to the minor inconvenience

:)

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Feb 3, 2009 8:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

That is my feeling too Dire..... 10% seemed maybe a little high, but I figure some failure was to be expected. I usually burn mine at no higher than 4X to 8X and it is aggravating to come back 20 mins later to learn that I have to start all over again.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 3, 2009 7:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

crap; that's a bummer! the failure of the stand alone.

frankly, it was the laptops that went the fastest for me; I had one that started failing after I had it one month.

truth is, though, I don't buy the top of the line systems. I usu go for mid to low end, so that might be the nature of my problem with the original computers.

here's to both of us and cont'd success--stand alone or laptop. and yeah, I could live with 10%; mine always was about 25% when it started to go bad, and then in a month or so it would just go to 80-90%!

the one thing that struck me was a guy I knew at the computer store, Frys, told me that whenever he buys a new system, which he gets one a yr or so thru the store, he automatically picks up a stand alone burner and HD, just like he was buying a carrying case for a laptop. ie, he just considers it a necessary purchase as part of his start up.

BUT, clearly a few folks have posted about their laptop burner working fine, so my experience may be singular, even if I am now fat enough to not have that term applied to me in any legitimate sense of the word.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Feb 3, 2009 8:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

i suppose i should have been more explicit - i have only had the Alienware laptop for about 2-3 months, so i really have no long term experiences to go by. my bad.

certainly agree with the computer guy about external HD's - i currently use three (yes, I am anal). Love LaCie externals - they just came out with a 2TB HD that they had onsale (time expired) for $250!!! talk about falling prices on memory :)

lord knows I can use as much memory as I can get, since I personally have none in the organic computer system located in my head (talk about harddrive failure)

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Poster: Thai Stick Date: Feb 3, 2009 8:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

The stand alone in my Presario is a ATAPI DVD A DH16A1L
SCSI CdRom Device. Roxio burns at the default set speed ?
Burning on an average 2 cds per day for the last year with this set-up and not one problem that was not user related.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 3, 2009 11:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

Have to say, I think I got the cheapest Presario available...it failed after a month, and even had to get a new motherboard, but they didn't fix the burner! I had bought the two yr warranty even though the thing was so cheap.

Even the super duper Dell work provides me, almost $3k with craploads of upgrades, after two months I couldn't burn a DVD...then, couldn't burn an audio CD (not that I would, but Data DVDs are huge for me!).

Crap.

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Poster: Thai Stick Date: Feb 3, 2009 3:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

Presario failed after a month, man feel your frustration.
The only complaint i have is not enough Ram Memory makeing it slow as shit. One stick of Ram would do wonders. In the near future im gona up grade my complete system to include
some recording gear. Ive been checking out this hardware interface. A little pricey, but you get what you pay for.
( Pro Tools LE & Digi 001 ) http://fnk.ca/board/f223/everything-but-audio-sale/digi-001-box-w-pci-protools-le-100419/


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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Feb 3, 2009 8:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

I just finished a stack of 100 Memorex discs and only one was bad - in fact when I looked at it there was a large visible blemish on the back.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 3, 2009 11:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

Yeah, I know I am boring everyone with my tale of wo, but I have actually burned thru six spindles of 30 each DVDs, and 4 of 100 CDs, in the past four months, and these were the absolute bottom of the pile quality wise...the cheapest of the cheap at WalMart, etc.

Not ONE, NOT a single failure with the stand alone. I have to send back data, and lots of audio CDs to a crap load of people. What's really bad is my mailing bill.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Feb 3, 2009 12:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

and i didnt see ONE FUCKIN DISC come in the mail - thanks a shitload!!!!!




(joking joking)

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Feb 3, 2009 12:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

When do you find time to shower?

Sounds like you are burning the midnight oil as well as the candle at both-ends.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Feb 3, 2009 12:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

from what his family says...... he doesnt (being a busy hippie and all)


;)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 3, 2009 12:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

Ah--had to keep re-reading as I thought you meant my family knows that my ass and my head are on fire, but now I realize you meant they know I have body odor...true. It's mostly the fact that I like to burn au naturelle and the sight of their overweight father at work late at night in the bedroom (hmmm...what would Mrs Tell think about that line?) stops them dead in their tracks at the door...saves on requests for gas money, I have to admit.

Yep, I have often burned a few dozen disks a day for days...but, recognize that a lot of this is what I do with work, sending data files and sound files back and forth, so, only a small number of people are being bored out of their minds with multiple copies of 12-29 and 6-14 (but seriously, some family members and old HS buddies have already gotten more than one version of some 68 shows...they didn't know what to do with the first one!).

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Feb 3, 2009 12:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

I'll have to send you my address so you can add me to your random "Burn & Mail" list. email jglynn1.2 AT netzero Dot net

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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Feb 3, 2009 6:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: question on burning

That's the ratio I get, you probably burn them at less than maximum speed, right?